The Value of a Weighty Person
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Apr. 27th, 2008 | 11:37 am
I love Manolo the Shoeblogger (
manalos_shoe), and I especially love the spinoff blog "Manolo for the Big Girl." (
manolobiggirl). There was a very interesting post on the latter today, commenting on a superbly ill-reasoned article from msnFinance on the issue of weight and social cost. In (her?) response, Manolo blogger Twistie evokes, in a beautifully snarky way, the viceral disgust I feel when someone couches sizism in the holy robes of "It's not that I think you *look* crappy, it's just that I'm worried about your health!" Anyway. I'm reposting a bit here, but I encourage you all to click on the link and read more.
Good stuff, Maynard! (Though I must say, I wouldn't have put Taft at the top of my list of Influential Fat People throughout History ...)
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The other day, msn Finance published an article about the potential savings to the US economy if nobody were fat. Never mind that the author’s math doesn’t add up on any level. After all, she assumes that a) every fat person eats lots of Big Macs and b) no thin person does. She also assumes that McDonalds would survive - nay, would continue to be profitable - if instead of selling Big Macs they sold ‘little steamed chicken snacks.’
In this Thintopia suggested by the author, diabetes and heart disease would nearly disappear. What’s more, apparently nothing else would kill us! Insurance rates would plummet and more money would go into preventative care ... or:
And of course, in this new nirvana, nobody would ever take a sick day because we all know that every time someone calls in sick at work it’s because of fat…not colds, flu, sprained ankles, or a host of other ills that befall everyone, fat or thin. Our dependance on foriegn oil would evaporate as our trim little bums would lessen the strain on our SUVs and airplanes could fly with less fuel making up for the difficulty of getting a bunch of lardly butts into the skies. Farmers could stop growing so many sugar beets which we bad fat people have been demanding and start growing lots of vegetables which fat people never, ever eat, of course. Because clothing manufacturers wouldn’t have to cover such a wide range of body sizes, they could - and of course would! - concentrate on covering a much wider range of body types. Yes, it is because I need a size larger than the average store carries on a regular basis that some deserving thin person is unable to find pants that fit both her hips and her waist properly. I stand utterly chagrined in the face of such logic.
Really, if we would all just stop being fat, everyone would ride unicorns and find true love, tra la.
The thing that worries me most, however, is not the way the math doesn’t add up, but the fact that our very individual human lives, whether fat or thin, are treated as a matter of pure economics. Our value as people does not diminish because we need health care or transportation or food. Our value depends so much more on what we bring to the people around us. So what have some fat people in history brought to our world that’s worth having? What could a fat person possible have accomplished? Well, here are a couple examples I think are worth considering.
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Good stuff, Maynard! (Though I must say, I wouldn't have put Taft at the top of my list of Influential Fat People throughout History ...)
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The other day, msn Finance published an article about the potential savings to the US economy if nobody were fat. Never mind that the author’s math doesn’t add up on any level. After all, she assumes that a) every fat person eats lots of Big Macs and b) no thin person does. She also assumes that McDonalds would survive - nay, would continue to be profitable - if instead of selling Big Macs they sold ‘little steamed chicken snacks.’
In this Thintopia suggested by the author, diabetes and heart disease would nearly disappear. What’s more, apparently nothing else would kill us! Insurance rates would plummet and more money would go into preventative care ... or:
That sounds good, but Roland Sturm, a senior economist for Rand in Santa Monica, Calif., doubts anyone would pay for preventive care. More likely, he says, some doctors would be on the street. “They could drive cabs,” he suggests.Of course, no thin person has diabetes or heart disease or suffers a stroke, right? And nothing else would come along to kill us because if we would just stop being fat, clearly we would live forever. And people are only willing to pay for catastrophic health care over preventative or maintenance care because ... well, we’re not entirely sure why, but since an economist said it, it must be true.
And of course, in this new nirvana, nobody would ever take a sick day because we all know that every time someone calls in sick at work it’s because of fat…not colds, flu, sprained ankles, or a host of other ills that befall everyone, fat or thin. Our dependance on foriegn oil would evaporate as our trim little bums would lessen the strain on our SUVs and airplanes could fly with less fuel making up for the difficulty of getting a bunch of lardly butts into the skies. Farmers could stop growing so many sugar beets which we bad fat people have been demanding and start growing lots of vegetables which fat people never, ever eat, of course. Because clothing manufacturers wouldn’t have to cover such a wide range of body sizes, they could - and of course would! - concentrate on covering a much wider range of body types. Yes, it is because I need a size larger than the average store carries on a regular basis that some deserving thin person is unable to find pants that fit both her hips and her waist properly. I stand utterly chagrined in the face of such logic.
Really, if we would all just stop being fat, everyone would ride unicorns and find true love, tra la.
The thing that worries me most, however, is not the way the math doesn’t add up, but the fact that our very individual human lives, whether fat or thin, are treated as a matter of pure economics. Our value as people does not diminish because we need health care or transportation or food. Our value depends so much more on what we bring to the people around us. So what have some fat people in history brought to our world that’s worth having? What could a fat person possible have accomplished? Well, here are a couple examples I think are worth considering.
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I agree!
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spidersweb
date: Apr. 27th, 2008 07:19 pm (UTC)
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While I still carry body image issues with me, and probably wouldn't have this sort of conversation just anywhere, I don't mind delving into the issue of what is construed as "fat." There's a scientific/medical definition, but it does not allow for the fact that the principle simply won't apply to everyone.
Case in point: I'm 31 yo, female, non smoker. I'm 5'6", and I weigh 170-175 (it fluctuates). My blood pressure is 90/70, my cholesterol stays under 150, but I fit that medical definition of overweight.
So, who are we going to listen to? The medical profession? The media? A vocal minority?
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Re: I agree!
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date: Apr. 27th, 2008 07:43 pm (UTC)
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1) Are fat people de facto unhealthier? No. I think creditable medical studies have shown that there is a measurable increase in different health risks as one gets further from one's "ideal body weight" (though how "ideal body weight" is defined is certainly a subject of debate.) But just because one is overweight by whatever percentage is not a *guarantee* that person will incur higher health costs -- just as every smoker does not die of lung cancer.
2) Would it be benefical for most people, regardless of weight, move more? Yes. But as one's weight increases, moving more not only becomes physically harder but socially harder (I'm always amazed at how much vitriol and scorn heavy people attract by simply daring to show their heavy bodies in a workout situation ... )
3) Would it be benefical for most people, regardless of weight, to make an effort to eat fewer "unhealthy" foods (high sugar, high salt, high fat, low fiber, lots of colors and preservatives) and more "healthy" foods (less processed, closer to the earth, etc)? Yes. But there's also a not-so-hidden class issue at work here, in that many "healthy" foods (especially organics) come at a cost premium, so that fat not only becomes a gender issue, but a class issue as well ...
Overall, I think fat as a political issue has SO many facets that trying to reduce it in any way (pardon the pun) is almost impossible. You have to talk about SO MUCH when you're talking about the issue of weight ... and that's probably why I get so mad when I talk to people who try to collapse the debate into "well, I just want you to be healthy and live a long time, that's all."
Because that's a very easy answer for a very, very complicated set of circumstances.
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martianmooncrab
date: Apr. 27th, 2008 07:40 pm (UTC)
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Then if everyone were thin, we wouldnt need therapists, personal trainers, Jenny Craig, or wait, Welfare because everyone knows about THAT, because fat people are just sooo lazy.
We wont go into how fat people are of course, less intelligent than skinny people.
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mkhobson
date: Apr. 27th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
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spidersweb
date: Apr. 29th, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
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Reading the labels, you find it's in EVERYthing. *shakes head*
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date: Apr. 27th, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
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date: Apr. 28th, 2008 02:39 am (UTC)
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date: Apr. 27th, 2008 08:05 pm (UTC)
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date: Apr. 27th, 2008 08:30 pm (UTC)
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date: Apr. 27th, 2008 08:33 pm (UTC)
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date: Apr. 28th, 2008 02:40 am (UTC)
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The insurance companies, I mean. ;-)
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silveredmadness
date: Apr. 27th, 2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
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Nom nom nom.
Seriously, though. I'm not "fat," but that is entirely because I have a stupidly fast metabolism, so even though I eat like a horse I'm maybe carrying around 10 extra pounds at the most. Am I *healthy*? Hell no. I have a host of unhealthy habits, and I have a severe allergic reaction to exercise. Fat does not equal unhealthy.
So my husband has what my mother in law calls an "easy keeper" metabolism, meaning no matter how he eats, he's always a bit bulky. When he was in the Marines and running 7 miles a day, he was still technically "overweight" by their standardized scores, and there was no fat on him. No matter that he has really broad shoulders; bone structure and genetics can't possibly have anything to do with being "fat"! He's 6'3" and I think the smallest he ever was while in the military was around 220. AND THAT WAS FAT?!. In fact, he was pretty to walk around with, but not so very comfortable to curl up on.
I like a bit of padding ;)
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date: Apr. 28th, 2008 02:44 am (UTC)
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date: Apr. 28th, 2008 03:04 am (UTC)
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He also tends to muscle up pretty easily when he puts minimal effort in. The sad thing is during his stint as a marine they made him stop lifting, because it was making him gain too much muscle weight, and they couldn't have that. Standardized weight scores prevail over health, apparently.
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date: Apr. 28th, 2008 03:16 am (UTC)
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My husband and I have often had the same discussion. We keep waiting for the apocalypse as an alternative to eating less pizza. ;-)
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silveredmadness
date: Apr. 28th, 2008 03:57 am (UTC)
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;)
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date: Apr. 29th, 2008 08:33 pm (UTC)
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date: Apr. 29th, 2008 08:46 pm (UTC)
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But it's kind of wrong to hope for hellfire and brimstone to rain down on the world, ushering in an era of Thunderdomes and souped up kill-cars just so you can feel better about having another slice of Domino's Triple Meat Lover's Pizza, isn't it?
;-)
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tuber_x
date: Apr. 29th, 2008 10:06 am (UTC)
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Let me at her. I'll sit on her!
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mkhobson
date: Apr. 29th, 2008 08:47 pm (UTC)
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Can't wait to see you in Vegas!
M
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